Antecessus (antecessus) wrote in vegan_talk,

I have an issue with this groups "bio"

There is either a spelling/grammar mistake, or I'm missing something. What I see right now is, "Please note, however, that not everyone is vegan for reals of morals or animal rights. So while animal rights posts are perfectly welcome and encouraged, please no flames for the non-activists!" I'm going to take a wild guess and say that it should read "for reasons of moral or animal rights.." If that is the case, I have a big problem with that. For the sake of clarity, I don't have a problem with asking people not to get mad at those who simply avoid eating meat, eggs, and dairy because they want to lose weight. What I have a problem with, is that the statement implies that you can be Vegan even if you aren't doing it for the animals... which is impossible.

It must not be very well known that the word "Vegan" hasn't been around since the dawn of the English language. It doesn't just mean "someone who doesn't eat meat, eggs, and dairy products". It isn't just a diet. There are very real motivations behind Veganism that aren't open to debate, or interpretation. This isn't a tarot reading, it's not a message from the Divine written in the clouds, it's not a creation from pop culture, it's not yet another fad diet created by Hollywood, nor an idea jotted down in some obscure poem.

Veganism is TIED to Animal Rights. You CAN'T be Vegan if you aren't also an Animal Rights activist. You are NOT Vegan if you only avoid eating meat, dairy, and eggs, especially if it's to lose weight, get healthy, or because you have some "eating disorder". In fact, if the Vegetarian Society had any courage, and more selflessness, there wouldn't have been a need to make the distinction between Vegan and Vegetarian!

The word VEGAN was created, that's right, CREATED by the Vegan Society in 1944. I believe it was specifically created by Donald Watson, one of the founders of, if not THE founder of the Vegan Society. The Vegan Society was, and still is, all about Animal Rights. Specifically, boycotting animal products, fur, leather, wool, silk, testing on animals, animal cruelty, etc. Veganism is a way of life that includes diet, but it is much more than that.

If this groups bio read "not everyone here is Vegan, so please be kind to them", that would make sense, and it would be a reasonable thing to ask. Of course, if the bio also added that "not all our Vegans are super activists, picketing at every corner, and signing every petition"; that would make sense too, and it would also be a reasonable thing to ask. I suppose I could have said that from the beginning, but like I wrote in the second paragraph: all this must not be very well known.

p.s.: I was trying to put most of this behind an LJ cut, but for what ever reason, it wouldn't let me. My apologies.

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